so i think there's a chance that karl rove might not have been too off on that one. it's perhaps one of the things i agree with karl rove on. >> of course that is exactly what the strategy seems to have been in the last two election cycles is to write off vast swaths of the population. jonathan, i want to talk about the politics of this before we have to go. that is, obviously on the democratic party side, i mean, this is kind of a, you know, no brainer gate issue i would say for someone seeking the nomination on the democratic ticket. on the republican side, though, i'm not sure i agree with karl rove that the person who is their nominee would be an advocate. it certainly seems like it's going to be a much tougher issue in 2016 for someone seeking national office, given the numbers that chad was just talking about. >> very tough for someone on the republican side to not be in favor of marriage equality? >> correct. i mean, given the fund-raising issues. this is an area where republicans are raising a lot of money. it's obviously an area where vast swaths of the popu